- "We shouldn't let the lobbies influence science. Whatever criticism might befall the IPCC and the UEA, they're nothing as bad as lobbyists who are politically motivated and who will manipulate data or select data to make their political point. For example, it's deplorable for the BBC whenever one of these issues comes up to go and ask what one of the green lobbyists thinks of it. Sometimes their view might be quite right, but it might also be pure propaganda. This is wrong. They should ask the scientists, but the problem is scientists won't speak. If we had some really good scientists it wouldn't be a problem, but we've got so many dumbos who just can't say anything, or who are afraid to say anything. They're not free agents."

THERE IS REAL "accelerating climate change effects", which is PROVED to be MAN MADE, which is showing up in real world changes* like decreasing Arctic sea ice, Tropical Hotspot etc.

* when you filter out all the other non-manmmade trends like naturally variability of 10, 20 & 60 year cycles, and the long term trend of slowly rising temp coming out of an ice age

- In my universe there is not an obvious man made effect on top of the long term raising trend, there are unexplained changes in Arctic ice, but there is no hotspot.

- I want to zero in on the most important line stated, “It is better to focus on the ever-widening discrepancy between predicted and observed warming rates.”

“But the truth is this: while forecasts of the future rate at which the world will warm differ, and while many accept we will see periods when warming temporarily plateaus, all the scientific evidence is in one direction."

- Gerghis
- Stephan Lewandowsky
- Lew
- Marcott (touted as new hockey stick, but after hype authors said it's analysis of last 100 years of data not reliable so no it is not the new hockey stick.)
Has a list of 10 bad papers in the last 10 years

- Donna Laframboise Explains how far from being mostly peer reviewed scientits much of the IPCC reports is input from unqualified activists and eco-lobby groups 2/3/ of sections had someone from WWF on the panel

- Picked this up from some comment somewhere RC caught cheating – from the 2009 Climategate emails "showing how the Alarmists spun, suppressed & faked their GW “data” in the great Global Warming hoax:"

"The warmist scientists at RealClimate show how carefully they’ve screened and manipulated their site to muffle any scepticism:

- It promotes the TRILLION DOLLAR WAR, on the basis of a dossier of evidence which "proves" WMD
- and it sincerely believes this justifies distortions of the truth, on the basis that this war is so crucial stopping any detraction is more important than truth.
- It vilifies any detractors.
- It glorifies any "science" that supports the war (before it's even published)
And when papers turn out to have problems or be retracted the readers are never informed, instead it moves on to new horror stories

...I am taking about the Guardian again and the Trillion Dollar War on CO2

Nasty Redneck Greens not only has left become right, but if you observe from internet debate with their rude, sneering name calling, ganging up greens ..these days are pretty redneck (is that just on climate)

- Even when I listen to skeptic science podcasts I find educated skeptics sneering. arrogant.

- BIG Green SNEERING now = BIG anti-Green BACKLASH later
More on this left becomes "rightwing" on next page #59

in 2012 the Guardian ran drought scare stories ..in fact we got record rain