#37 Climate XIIa
Climate Claptrap XII

Excellent Video explains why ATI quest to get Mann's Uni of Virginia emails

- This is a surprisingly good video. I hadn't really understood why getting Mann's Uni of Virginia emails from the time of the invention of the hockey stick graph.

- "It's a witch-hunt, hounding a brave scientist" the activists shout
- Actually it derives out of Climategate, which did reveal some absolutely damming lines about manipulating data & covering ups etc. Discussions included hockey stick graph inventor Michael Mann.
Though the activists say "All the inquiries cleared the scientists"... Skeptics point out all th inquiries were substantially flawed.
- The right wing lobby group ATI thought "hang on we now know scientist were being deceptive, so what did they discuss when Mann was inventing his discredited hockey stick graph ? If we can prove that at the time other scientists knew it was fake ..that's a real big deal".
- They then realised that at the time Mann was working at the University of Virginia and the State of Virginia has a FOI Act. So they began to pursue it.
- The strong resistance from the Uni, fueled their suspicions ... they got many time delays & excuses like "we lost it" etc. "we can't do that".
- Not true as when Greenpeace requested emails from another professor in the same department they were handed over.
- It took many years now the case is on it's last legs with the 2nd higest court judge declining to make a judgement & passing it up to the highest court in the state.
: Video from ATI

Global Warming confirmed in Diary of Native; guess where ?

- "A change in our climate however is taking place very sensibly. Both heats and colds are become much more moderate within the memory even of the middle-aged. Snows are less frequent and less deep. They do not often lie, below the mountains, more than one, two, or three days, and very rarely a week. They are remembered to have been formerly frequent, deep, and of long continuance.

- The elderly inform me the earth used to be covered with snow about three months in every year. The rivers, which then seldom failed to freeze over in the course of the winter, scarcely ever do so now. This change has produced an unfortunate fluctuation between heat and cold, in the spring of the year, which is very fatal to fruits. From the year 1741 to 1769, an interval of twenty-eight years, there was no instance of fruit killed by the frost in the neighbourhood of Monticello. An intense cold, produced by constant snows, kept the buds locked up till the sun could obtain, in the spring of the year, so fixed an ascendency as to dissolve those snows, and protect the buds, during their developement, from every danger of returning cold.”

- The accumulated snows of the winter remaining to be dissolved all together in the spring, produced those overflowings of our rivers, so frequent then, and so rare now.”

- Alright where do you think this native lives ?

- It's interesting they quote diarist writing observations about global "rivers that used to freeze, no longer do etc. etc. it's a long account" then at the end it says ..from the diary of Thomas Jefferson writing about Climate change in 1799 ..from link
- original about 5 pages

"Denier" slur, comes from SELF PROJECTION
WikiP on Self Projection

- "The Science is settled"
- "The steep incline graphs of global temperature averages based on climate models produced by the IPCC have proven themselves by correctly predicting the last 14 years"

- Yes only people IN DENIAL would say that kind of thing ...so what would they call other people not sharing their views ? ...

- Rate of CO2 emmissions is above the projections yet the temperature rise is way below projections ..discuss

I Can Change Your Mind about Climate - ABC TV

- In Oz the ABC is heavily infected by the Green-Activist cult.. Skeptics are only rarely allowed on when editing can make them look like idiots.
- Then they come up with this TV prog "I Can Change Your Mind about Climate" ..Wow even though they wouldn't let on any Skeptical scientist on the panel it would mean someone would give the skeptical view point

- The title of the prog is interesting “I Can Change Your Mind about Climate”, Yes, you can. I already changed my mind, when I was in the Greenie circles 12 years ago & I checked facts.
- So I know what it's like to be a "of course it's true" IPCC Believer.

- In 2007 debate 15% changed their minds from pessimism to skeptics in the debate, (46%, 42% believers). Intelligence Squared "Global Warming is Not a Crisis" debate in New York City. video

good video shows evidence IPCC SCience is flawed
- Dr David Evans good video shows evidence IPCC SCience is flawed
Webpage with graphs & refs

- A good video, I'd like to see it all on the ABC, but unfortunately the ABC censors skeptics
- perhaps the number of ABC job-cuts coming will be proportionate to the reputation they have been building for themselves

- Compare that video with Monbiot's performance in the interrogator podcast

Debunking Montbiot his evidence is 97% authority

It's Complicated Stupid

- No one person can understand the whole climate system.. however I as an observer can see when some lies to me, distorts or makes predictions that are wrong.

- There is a podcast called the Interrogator ... it was supposed to be a debate about Climate Change : however it was flawed from the start as they got Warmist spokesman George Monbiot to represent one side ..and for the other side they got another warmist : Claire Fox who happens to be a maniac on libertarian values ... So the debate wasn't about CC, rather more about Fox promoting her libertarian stuff.

- It was crap ..except is was useful for exposing the weakeness of Monbiots arguments :

- He said "Look it's about the evidence" Yep, good start
"The overwhelming number of scientist agree" ..err no they don't & anyway that's the Fallacy of argument of authority
"97% of scientists agree" - both those studies were fundamentally flawed -check your facts

- So his entire argument rests not on evidence, but on "Argument of authority" from 2 studies well known to be flawed ...kerplunk George Monbiot's argument has fallen apart.

Skeptical Scientists & Youtube Videos
- I note I seem to keep coming across Youtube videos of professors that used to believe, but now have come over to skepticism after checking facts e.g. Judith Curry,
(not Richard Muller who worked with her on BEST & claimed to have been converted from Skepticism, but was never a skeptic as his record shows)
- Professor Murry Salby (Climate Chair at Macquarie University)
- Nobel Physics laureate Ivar Giaever has called global warming (now “climate change”) a “new religion”
- Lovelock has rolled back .."we were too extreme"

- Add that to the list of Scientists who have been thoroughly skeptical from the start Ian Plimer, Bob Carter, Tim Ball, Fred Singer, Richard Linzen

- South African blogger : nutty-prof.blogspot.co.uk

New Monty is Mich Mann's Lying Circus
- I thought comedy was dead, but then I realised the BBCnews having an enviromental dept pushing out loads of climate activist propaganda is a form of irony. It's like the BBC have sneaked in the NEW Monty Python : The Michael Mann's Lying Circus : Harrabin, Black & Shukman & their North American sidekicks Hansen, Mann & Gleick (AKA the Joker) + the Australian Flannery wearing the big clown prediction shoes…oh and there’s a whole posse of Hacktivist sidekicks led by Monbiot “If the story fits my dogma, then I won’t check the facts, just churn it !”

…. if they all sink on Realclimate Titantic ..who will there be left to laugh at ?

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